Would you believe a cannibal man lost his VAMPIRE teeth after demons were cast out of him, and now he preaches Jesus?  Maybe it’s all just a healthy dose of placebo…have a listen as we pair up Pastor Patrick Wandera, from Uganda, Africa with Genealogist and atheist, Drew Smith for an absolutely fascinating conversation.

Our guest, Drew Smith has been a librarian at the University of South Florida in Tampa since 2007 and is internationally known as a genealogy speaker and writer, having written 3 books and numerous articles on the topic. Together with his husband, George G. Morgan, he has co-hosted the Genealogy Guys Podcast since 2005, and is also the host for an all-interview podcast, Genealogy Connection. His podcasts have received nearly 3 million downloads!

He says he went through a period in late high school where he tried to make religious belief work in some sort of way consistent with a worldview based on science and reason, but found that he could not.

Drew is joined by Evangelist Patrick Wandera, who serves as a full-time minister of the Gospel with Deliverance Church Makerere Hill in Kampala, Uganda. He is a much sought after open air and conference speaker. He has ministered all over Uganda, the East African region and beyond in the power of the Holy Spirit, with signs and wonders following. He is an author of powerful deliverance books such as Seven Years in Hell and Soul Merchants.

I’m not sure Nick and Marcus have ever had such an intriguing, nearly unbelievable conversation as they did on this episode.


If the devil exists, why doesn’t God chain him up in hell so no more bad stuff can happen on earth?

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  • Welcome Drew Smith and Pastor Patrick Wandera [5:35]
  • How did Patrick get involved with witch doctors? [7:46]
  • Drew’s thoughts on the supernatural and witchcraft [19:00]
  • Tough Question of the Week (w/Carter Snapp) [24:20]
  • Patrick’s thoughts on The Placebo Effect [26:00]
  • Casting out demons in Eurpoe [32:42]
  • Drew’s thoughts on demon possession and the brain [37:10]
  • Patrick’s take on mental illness [40:00]
  • When hospitals fail [46:11]
  • Is it possible for science to see the spirit realm? [48:10]
  • Can demons be cast out remotely? [53:52]
  • Uganda’s perception of Covid [56:30]
  • Final words of encouragement from Pastor Patrick [59:59]
  • How to connect with Patrick Wandera and Drew Smith online [1:01:20]
  • A spiritual account of a cannibal with vampire teeth [1:02:20]
  • Closing words and Marlon Katsigazi’s Final Words of Wisdom (WOW) [1:06:19]
  • Blooper [1:07:26]